Need some help

I need all of your input on something. I thought I had run into an isolated insident but recently I ran into the same wall. Alright, maybe a little back story is needed.

A few years back an old boss brought in a new business manager. He was a Marine recon sniper. He knew his guns, obviously, but his attitude toward civilian guns was really off. His view was that the military and law enforcement was the only ones worthy to be armed. He still worked in the firearm industry even though he was opposed to anyone being allowd to buy what he was selling.

Now, just this past week at church, I find another one. We have a Navy Special Warfare officer. Worked “with” the SEALS, been through Airborne school, deployed in the war and now is finishing his 20yrs out in the reserves. A man full of honor. Or so one would think. He’s one I just can’t get a bead on.

For someone with his background he should be confident, right. Well he’s been put in charge of teaching the young men at church. Shouldn’t be a big deal for an Anapolis grad with a bad to the bone background yet I see him asking the kids if he did a good job, looking for their approval, and genuinely sheepish about the answer. I don’t get that. I don’t get that at all.

The latest insident that made me shake my head…there’s a group of guys at church wanting their concealed permits. They see it as a way to be better prepared in a world that’s increasingly going down the tubes. Especially after the election and I’m glad to see some of the “sheeple” waking up and wanting to become sheepdogs. When our Navy man was asked if he wanted to be an addition to the CCW class we’re putting together. His reply was in the negetive but the most interesting part was HOW he said it. “With the things I know I don’t ever want to carry a weapon again.” His eyes betrayed him. I’m sure on his deployment he saw some nasty stuff. But it wasn’t the things he did, or saw, or anything else. It was the things he knew that made him not want to be around weapons. I’ve had this guy at the range. In trying to get one of the boy scouts we took shooting to have a decent stance….his for wasn’t just practiced it was perfect. He knows his stuff. But why would that push you away from what you do best?

It went further. He commented later that the guys at church that was in the little self defense group, he actually trusted to know martial arts, and would be the only ones he would trust with a weapon much less a CCW.

I have a problem with that. Everyone has the right to defend themselves and their family. I’ll be the first one to admit that there are some out there that need more training that others to just get away from being a danger to themselves and others with a firearm. But even they have a right to safety.

All of that aside, my big question is this, is there a growing trend in the military that is anti second amendment? Is there a growing culture within our warriors that sees themselves as the only one worthy of carrying or owning a weapon? Much like the Samari culture was. Only they were allowed to carry a sword. What makes a warrior fear his own weapons and make him want to keep others from them?

7 thoughts on “Need some help

  1. In my limited time with the shooting sports, and the industry, I find myself shooting with a wide variety of people. A fair bit of ex-military and active law enforcement. A lot of folks that may have just picked up a weapon and are learning the ins and outs, and then the Cletus’s of the world. The point being, for military and LEO guys they are keeping a really close eye on shooters they don’t know. Once you have demonstrated your knowledge and abilities they welcome you with open arms but, you have to earn their trust and respect.

    With new shooters, we are all always keeping an eye on them. Whether it is a training class or a match. Nobody wants to be the one that has to call them out on their safety skills but, no one wants to have to deal with the aftermath of an incident either and that over rides any reluctance to deal with a safety issue.

    The damage that a firearm can do to the human body is horrific. It should not be trivialized. By the same token, the damage that a blade does to a human can be even more horrific and terrifying. I can understand your acquaintance’s attitude. I can’t defend it but I can understand it. To come from an environment where you are handling, and using a weapon (rifle, pistol, knife) everyday for a prolonged period can, and should, create a level of confidence and familiarity that is not present in those that do not have that prolonged experience. As many of you may will relate to, walking into a crowded public range can be a frightening proposition. There may be 20 other shooters in there and you have no knowledge of their abilities or safety consciousness or the condition of their weapon(s) and ammunition.

    Even though it has been a while since I finished my time in The Corps, I can tell you that at the time seeing a hunter with a rifle was a jarring experience. Someone in cammies and a black rifle, no big deal. Someone with jeans and an orange vest…it just didn’t seem right. Once I got comfortable with the individual, and their ability / knowledge.. things settled in nicely.

    Back to your questions and points:

    – It all goes back to earning that trust. I think once his acquaintance begins to trust people and understand that they are trustworthy things will improve.
    – Martial arts / Combatives is a great place to start but, it is not the end of the road. Martial arts by definition includes weapons of all kinds, and imbues a level of discipline and respect for weapons and weapons systems that serve as a solid foundation for firearm handling.
    – In most cases, no one should be discouraged from seeking the CCW. However, it needs to be supplemented by training, and knowledge. While I don’t have any statistics to support this, I tend to believe that most people will allow a stranger to near “bad breath” range before they start to alert to a potential situation. Therefore, starting with some knowledge of combatives and having levels of escalation in your bag of tricks before you get to the firearm is a good thing.
    – I am surprised by your comments about confidence and teaching skills from this individual. Annapolis and West Point grads that I know are some of the most confident and competent people around. On the other side of the coin, they are also the most open to looking for ways to improve. Perhaps the mistake here is that what is being observed is not someone lacking confidence, as much as he is trying to fit and adapt his style to the audience. I spend some time training with an retired SOF guy every year. He also spends a fair amount of time with the active duty units in the area training them up. I hear an awful lot of “roger that” and “Hoohahs” that slip out from him in his instruction. I believe that adapting your style to the audience is one of the biggest keys to success that instructors / lecturers have. I suspect that in this case, that is what is happening.

    Take it all for what it’s worth. I hope it helps.

  2. I have been seeing the same thing out here in Va. It seems that a lot of guys coming home from service overseas want nothing to do with guns at all, not sure what it is about or why. One thing i have noticed is a lot more guys are coming home with some serious PTSD which can put people in a fearful position. They fear that they may react as they did in combat.
    As far as confidence, it’s really easy to lead a bunch of guys that want to get the job done and are gung ho however if you put a bunch of kids or people that don’t really want to be there, it’s hard to read if you are doing a good job.

  3. If you haven’t already, read Lt Col Dave Grossman’s On Killing. It could be that the man you speak of could use a little help.
    It could be that he’s having difficulty coming to terms with what he’s done, or what he didn’t do, or what he thinks he should have done differently, and in that case there is much more to this than his 2A stance.
    That said, what I’ve encountered in such situations is that the individual is simply lying. Lying about their experience and their skills. Lying about virtually everything, and thus forever paranoid about being discovered. It tends to make them highly adverse to any situation in which they might be exposed.

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